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did these children tend to have at Riverdale?

Well, they were disturbed, many of them. And what amazes me is that they weren't disturbed any more than they were, considering the circumstances that they had to put up with. But they had all kinds of emotional problems. I mean, they were acting out, some of them. Some of them had been delinquents and had come through the courts of course. So you had the whole gamut of disturbance, really, from the very shy, withdrawn children, to the really acting out delinquent type of child.

Had any of them been to reformatories also?

Oh yes.

Courts, those who came through the courts?

Yes, they had been through reform school -- yes, of course. I mean, they had everything there, because at that time, there was not the concept of separating out the children who were, say, delinquent, from the children who were just mildly disturbed and didn't need day to day care, really. Everybody was just together, and all ages. They did separate the girls from the boys.

Did the fact that you had these delinquents mixed up with the others cause special problems then?

It did, because you couldn't handle any of them. You know, you really couldn't. It was an impossible situation. The psychiatrist was only there ten hours a week, and she could only see a few children.