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And if you have them all together, you leave them there for the rest of the week all together, you can't expect any improvement. Because the worst part was, you're not going to be helping anybody.

How long did you continue in this work?

I was only at Riverdale for about 18 months, less than two years. A short period of time.

But intensive.

Yes. Intensive, yes.

How much consultation or conferring did you have with the psychiatrist there?

Not very much, because we were not there at the same time, though we became good friends, really, and later she came to Northside Center as our chief psychiatrist. So it was on that basis that we became close. Not so much the time at Riverdale, which was brief.

What do you recall, from the psychiatrist's work, that any new or surprising findings come out of the Rohrschach test?

Well, I don't think I can make a pronouncement of -- about new findings that came out of the Rohrschach test. The Rohrschach test only assists you, really, in trying to define what areas the child might have problems with. It's not a very definitive kind of thing, in which you will know; the results of it are higly dependent on the interpretation. And the interpreter of it. So that it's