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Because it just seemed that they were not ready, you know, to go out into the world, or even to take jobs or function in the community. They just didn't have the skills or anything. But they -- it was just tragic.

Am I drawing the correct inference, that you may have felt that all the work that you did with them there was, well, much of it was likely to be unavailing, simply because they were being thrown back out, into the --

-- I would say so --

-- unwanted --

Yes. I mean, youhope that what you have done has helped a little bit, but you knew that psychological testing wasn't going to help children, you know, once they get out there. You hoped that the case workers had strengthened the children a little bit, enough. But you didn't know.

What did you do when you left Riverdale?

Well, that was when we opened Northside Center.

Did you open it immediately, or --?

Yes. As a matter of fact, I was still at Riverdale for a few months after we had opened Northside.

What was the genesis, beyond what you've already indicated, of the Northside Center? Specifcally, when did you decide you were