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enormous increase in space.

Then when was this present building --?

This? We moved in here almost two years ago. We would have been here two years in October. And of course, this again is five times as much space as we had last time.

Maybe we should put this in the record - - there are about four floors here?

Well, we don't have all of four floors. We have two full floors, and part of two other floors. We have about half of a floor and then about a fourth of a floor.

And of course it is quite a good-sized building.

Oh my goodness, yes. We could get many more children in here. We could get many more children in here. This building is a block long. You're walking a block when you walk from one end of this office to the other.

We're talking of a length-wise block.

Length-wise is the block. I guess width-wise is a quarter of a block.

What's the reason that you don't have close to the capacity of children that you could handle?

Well, just before we moved, we were very comfortable