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come from Harlem?

Not too much. They're mostly from downtown. We have a few of them from Harlem, but the majority of them are coming from downtown.

Is this one of the constraints you find, trying to change conditions here, difficulty finding volunteers at all, much less suitable volunteers?

Well, it is not easy to find suitable volunteers. I tell you about ... in terms of the difficulty of getting them together, getting them uptown and together in one group, that's not easy.

Let's go into that.

They have different interests, of course. And they have also economic factors. I mean, most people who are volunteering, who live in Harlem, work, so the kinds of things they can do they have to do like on Saturday, maybe take a child or a group of children out on a trip, or something like that. But most of our volunteers don't work, so they can come in the week. That means they can see the children directly for tutoring, or serve as Big Brothers and Big Sisters and so on.

But it works out in this place. For one thing, we've always been kind of eclectic in every way. I mean, very early -- we were always integrated, you know. We had whites and blacks on staff from the beginning. Then we began to get Spanish-speaking people. We have a lot of foreigners here, from as far away as India, Philippines,