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But we've never really put those people in direct contact with
the children. You know, they can do something else. They can
support a benefit or sell tickets or something. But we're very
selective about who works with the children directly. So in that
sense, and because of the selectivity, we don't have that difficulty.
And we can pretty well spot a person who just wants to “do good,”
as opposed to somebody who's really interested and wants to make a
service. That's not too difficult. We don't have much trouble with
What about your board? Did you have that kind of problem with
No. Again, we've been very careful about who gets on the board.
No. We have a very good board, and some good people at the top of it,
and that makes all the difference in the world. Jim Dumpson as
president is absolutely marvelous. No, we don't have that trouble.
Now, we did at one time have a terrible crisis with the board,
and some of this paternalism was part of that. Some of the attitudes
which you know about as well as I do caused a bad crisis, and that
was the point at which our patron, Marian Ascoli, left us. She
deserted us, literally, taking $100,000 with her. And I think if
Kenneth and I had been “good people” and, you know, done what they
wanted us to do, we would not have had the crisis -- nor would we
be as strong as we are today.
What was the specific issue that brought the crisis?
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