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The specific issue was over psychiatry, believe it or not. This agency has always been untraditional. The traditional model is the psychiatric one, with the psychiatrist in control of everything, and we've never never been that, so that as we were evolving in our program, we were moving, as I told you, educationally -- heavily educationally. And it came a point where the board wanted to fire the chief psychiatrist, my friend from Riverdale, who was very good and very social-minded, very eclectic herself. She wasn't bound by Freudian principles or anything like that.

So they wanted to get rid of her, and they wanted to make this place really psychiatric, and at that time, Dr. David Levy had been very critical of us, because we were not psychiatric enough. In the end, Stella Chess did go. Our chief psychiatrist did go. But in the end, we won the battle, because Marian quit. She left, with her small group of people, and as I said, she took $100,000 with her, and that left us in terrible straits. But she took with her also this small group of people who really were bringing in the most money -- and at that time, three people saved us. The city was excellent at that time. Jim Dumpson and David Barry and -- I'm trying to remember..... the other one was

They went to the city and got $50,000 for us, and they got two contributions of $25,000 each from the New York Foundation and from Rockefeller Brothers Fund, which made up the $100,000 that we had lost, and which -- we would have closed if we didn't have that $100,000.