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are very talented. I mean, with no resources for doing anything about it. So we try to get the music lessons, or we try to get them into art classes. We try to get them into athletic activity. A lot of children are very talented athletically. So we're constantly using all the resources that we can, for the family. No, you're right about that.

Incidentally, in this testing, I think the way our conversation was going, we didn't say “psychological testing” all the time. It was implicit. But you give vocational tests, aptitude tests, the gamut, to find out --?

Oh yes. Oh yes. And also we teach the children how to take tests. This is one the things children don't seem to learn in these schools. And they test them all the time. But we teach them how to take the tests. And when children are -- we have children up to 16. Some of the children are in high school. We teach them how to take tests. We teach them about careers that are open, avenues that they can travel. This is something they don't get in the public schools.

You're really saying here, then, that in the public schools, very often they go through whatever instructionis given, but they don't know how to respond to a test?

No.

They may have learned more than you think they've learned.

That's right. That's right.