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Yes. Yes, we've been to visit his home. But it was under his administration, for instance, that Northside as a sponsor could get this plaza built. He was directly responsible for that, and he always had this tremendous interest in doing something in Harlem. And of course in the end he did several things here, under that UDC program.
But when he sent Ed (Edward) Logue over here, with the UDC, of course he brought that interest. That's the only way we got this plaza up, because we didn't get it up through the city. No mayor supported it at all.
Do you think they were just taking the Democratic vote for granted? Of course, Lindsay could not.
No. I don't really understand that. I wouldn't presume to say what was happening there. Wagner was only in there a short time, of course, after we started to make this effort, and then he left. Lindsay was in there a longer time. I don't know. I can't answer that.
Did you have any face to face meetings with either Lindsay or Wagner?
Oh, yes. My goodness yes. We had a number of meetings with them. A number of meetings with them. Like every six months weld have to go back, because nothing would happen. We'd leave, and nothing would happen.
Yet especialy during his earlier years, he made a thing of coming up in Harlem, coming up in shirt sleeves--
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