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-- oh yes, taking walks --

-- street walks.

Yes. He was a very frustrating person.

These walks, as you would give an opinion about them, were cosmetic?

I think so. I think so. But people seemed to like it.

Even without the follow-through.

Even without the follow-through. I always thought they liked the television. Every time he walked, he had all this television crew. I always thought the people liked to get into the act with the television.

Did you ever have any face to face meeting with any of the Kennedys?

Not really, no. Not in relationship to Northside Center.

Including the women, for instance? There was this interest in retardation.

No. Never.

Incidentally, what about the children that come here that are congenitally retarded?

We have to refer them out for services. We can't handle