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Has Northside got any interrelationships with the tra de unions?

Not really. Not really. My husband has had more of a relationship with them, but not in the context of Northside Center. Really, as an individual. I mean, I certainly know the man, and I've met him. Certainly Bayard Rustin I've been closer to. But not really in the sense of contact with the trade unions.

What's been the contact with Bayard Rustin?

Well, Bayard's into everything. You know. He's on my husband's wasn't? board. He was on HARYOU board but he was into the activity. He's into everything.

Which do you mean, your husband's board?

MARC. The MARC board. He was a member of the MARC board. (Metropolitan Applied Research Center) But we had known him for many years.

Just for the record -- what does the acronym MARC stand for?

Metropolitan Applied Research Center.

Any other black leaders in Harlem that the Center's had any relationship with, or that you have had, in some professional way? Percy Sutton, for example?

Oh, he's been a very good friend of the Center. He is a participating friend. He always comes to our ceremonials. In fa ct,