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the union people. I would ship them out material, all the clips that came out, and “This is what we did in Washington. This is what they did here. Try to do something like this.” In different cities different things. For example it moved from Washington to Seattle, to the Seattle Museum of Industry, a very big museum, done with the labor movement. They did a big deal on it. They brought in plays, films, and one of the artists is Jacob Lawrence -- black artist, very important artist who was on the faculty of the University of Washington.

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Incidentally -- I wanted to mention this -- in the dedication of Images of Labor -- the book, the catalogue -- the catalogue is dedicated to three people. To Stanley Glaubach, Stanley Levison, and Joe Cadden, all of whom were dead at the time.

Jacob Lawrence had called and told me it was one of the most exciting experiences of his life, the reception that was organized by labor and the university in his honor, at the exhibition. I knew Jake Lawrence in the early 1950s in Local 65, when I organized an art exhibit of workers' -- members' -- art. I arranged for three artists to be the judges. One was Robert Gwathmey, Harry Gottlieb, and Jacob Lawrence. I got him to participate in this exhibition -- so that was one example. The same thing happened in a lot of places.

As a matter of fact one of the most exciting things happened in Oregon. I became friendly, on the phone, with the director of the state AFL-CIO in Oregon, Bob Baugh.

I knew him.

Really? He kept writing to me about posters, and about the stuff. He was ordering large quantities, [laughs] and he was selling out there. So I said, “Hey, you want to do something really good? Maybe you can get together and get this exhibition.” So the Portland Art Museum, which is a very swanky museum, did Images of Labor. But, when they did it, the labor movement really went all out. They raised money for this to bring the exhibition for their share of it, and to organize programs. So they did not only labor films and labor plays and that kind of thing, and receptions and the programs that they published on it, but also they got the building trades to do a construction to show how workers -- yes! -- and it was in the museum. It was, you know, they were all very very excited about it.

The other thing about Images as it traveled, is that every time it went to a place it was a new p.r. thing. See, it has a life every time. There