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how to do it was that it could not -- by this time it was already early December, and was decided that we should not do it into the Christmas thing, but that we should wait and the beginning of the year break it, and that the way to break it was -- we didn't expect that people would come to a press conference on anything like this, because it was too vague. No one knew what you were talking about. But I would do selective stuff.

Oh! The other thing -- I gotta go back to the tape. Dennis kept asking me, “Did you listen to the tape?” I said, “No, I heard the statement, I already know the statement.” He says, “You've got to listen to it.” One weekend I said to myself, “Gee whiz.” It was Saturday night. I says, “Let me listen to this tape.” I listen to the tape, and it was fascinating, because it went into the strike and to the hotel, and to the Koch thing, and her attitude on South Africa sanctions, how she was opposed to it because workers in South Africa would lose their jobs. It went into all the stuff about Turner that we had heard about, but here he was laying it out. So I said, “Gee whiz, this whole tape is a great thing.” We went to this friend of mine, Scott Lehrer, and we made what we called the Turnergate Tapes. We made 500 of them and we sold them! We sold them after we broke the news, and we also got into the media. But then we broke the news selectively. We would edit the tape down to include the statement plus selected things of this interview, and we had transcripts of the interview.

Then I called in Andy Cooper (City Sun) for one session. I remember I called Bill Serrin and I said, “Bill, I'd like to have lunch with you.” He said, “Okay.” I went to lunch with Bill at “Curtain Up” and after we did the usual I said, “Bill, I have something I want to talk to you about.” I described what I have. He says, “You have a copy of it.” “Yes, I have it with me. I'll give it to you, but you've got to give it back to me unless you're going to use it. Because if you don't use it, I'm going to give it to somebody else. You can have it exclusively.” He looked at it, and he says, “Okay, I'll call you back this afternoon. So he called me back and he says, “We want it. It's ours exclusively?” I said, “It's yours exclusively with one proviso. It has to be released on a Tuesday.” See, because I was concerned. I'd met with Joe Conason (Village Voice), and Conason didn't want it to come out like on a Thursday and he's waited around another week. So he said, “A day I can wait, but don't hold me up any longer.” Because Conason said, “I want it, and I'm going to do something with it.” Andy Cooper said, “We're going to do something with it.”

When does Cooper come out?