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Well, the art was later. The art was later. Art was different, but in a cartoon illustration. But, you see, what happened, we got absorbed by 65, and then the question came up, what is Moe to do? He can't be the education director for 1250 and 5. No, he's going to be in the education department of 65. What is he going to do? He's going to be in charge of education and programs, social and cultural programs. But 65 had had a history of that kind of thing, way back to the “Wholesale Mikado,” but it was not going big now. They'd had dramatic groups and that kind of thing. So I was assigned to the dramatic group and, I forget, different kinds of things. They also had a children's program every Saturday at 13 Astor Place, at 12:00 and at 3:00, admissions like for fifty cents or a quarter, and you had to have a program for it. So you had to have a magician, a puppeteer and stuff. We would get Pete, Woody, and while I'm talking to Joe Klein, he says, “Didn't Margie come with him and do dance?”

“You're right. Woody and Margie.”

“Because I have it in the book. You've got to read my book.” You know, today I went to the library and got the book out. Okay.

Then I get the idea, we have a dramatic group, and we have a physical space, and I don't know, I think I got the idea we should have a nightclub. We'll call it the “65 Saturday Night Club.” And organizationally, it worked the following way: every Saturday night, like you'd figure out thirty Saturday nights, right, after it got too hot, there was no air-conditioning, thirty Saturday nights, a different area would take over the nightclub a different night, then they would return again. Four hundred tickets at fifty cents you'd sell. All right. The dramatic group, the variety group that I'm responsible for, they will be responsible for putting on the show, you see. We'll have to hire a band. What about tables, waiters, waitresses, bar? Rank and file committees, they will check the coats, they will wait on tables, and they will serve the drinks, etc., that kind of thing. All right. Okay. That means you had to have rank and file committees set up that would be available every Saturday night. You had to have a show, and the Saturday morning and afternoon you had the kiddie program going. Then I decided we would do the show. I remember Earl Shendell was the band, the three-piece band. He later became an officer of the Local 802. I used to chisel him on the price, how much the band was going to cost. “It's for the union. Remember the union. This is the union, you know.” And I said, “We will get for the show, in addition to us, we will get a guest star every Saturday night.” And so I would get a guest star every Saturday night, either Sammy, Jack Gilford, Louis Nye. By this time, I'm getting to know people -- Zero Mostel, Harry Belafonte is