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then just a singer, you know, coming down with dark glasses, breaking
in. A lot of people. I have the list at home of who appeared. George
Hall, Irwin Corey, they're performing gratis as guests. They come as
an extra added attraction. We're packing them in, and I'm going crazy.
On Saturday, I come in in the morning for a staff meeting at 9:00, and
I have to leave at 11:30, prepare f or the kiddie program, and then I
have to work with the committee setting up the tables, and you're
there until you get home like 3:00, 4:00 in the morning. We have a
child, and we're living in a garden apartment in Flushing. During the
week, I come home around 11:00, 11:30, and I come home on
Saturday at 3:00, 4:00 o'clock, and I have to sleep on Sunday, and
I'm groggy on Sunday, and then start again. So it was awful for about
two, three years. But it was very -- you know, you were serving the
cause of humanity.
You felt that?
It was such excitement. But you see, from 9:00 to 11:30, when
I would miss part of the staff meeting, that was the terrible thing,
because those staff meetings, Arthur Osman was the president of the
district, of Local 65, and he was an organizational genius. He was
crazy, but he was a genius. The first time I came there and I had to
make a report for the council, the stewards, he made me rewrite it like
ten times, and he was really playing with me. It was to no avail, I had
to keep writing, and change this, change that. I'd keep coming back to
him, and he'd say, “That's good, but change this.” He was like making
me jump through hoops to show who was in charge here. Okay. But
David Livingston was under him. You have very, very top, able people.
You just sit there and just breathe, and you imbibe a lot of stuff of how
you can run a democratic union, or how you can run a union.
Why do you make that distinction?
Well, it's democratic to a degree, you know. It's tightly
controlled, although they would go out elections and to make sure that
members -- you couldn't be elected unless you had more than fifty
percent of the workers voting for you.
That was a by-law?
Yes. And organizing, you know, the union was a very, very
exciting place to be, and I'm living in a small apartment at the time,
writing articles for the paper about this at the same time, and living
that kind of life. There comes a time after a while where there's a split
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