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Harry was moving from being friendly to being distant to being somewhat, not opposed in principle to unions but sort of opposed in practice to the particular situation that we were facing. But he never got that involved in those kind of issues. Then right after the War, the-

You were saying then came the War.

Then came the war. And of course, in the War we had to abide by all the rules and regulations that applied to everything, including unions, which I think included checkoff and one other thing, closed shop, not closed shop but union shop, which we were very much opposed to. After the War in the negotiations, the unions, as usual, was demanding more of this, more of that and we were trying to get out of union shop because union shop gave them considerable power, mainly in good part financial power. Nobody could get out of the Union. They would have to go on paying dues.

We had some very, very tough negotiations that came very close--well, they had strike votes and so on, so on. And we came very close to a strike over our demand to get rid of the union shop, their demands, not only for the union shop, but for the checkoff and everything else. And underlying it all was the matter of the Communist infiltration of the Guild.

This continued to be the view of the Guild post-War?