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The name of the painter?

The name of the painter- Friesecke.

That's O.K., you'll put it on the transcript.

is blank, who by the way turned out to be a friend of my father's, of all things. He was an American impressionist, a turn of the century painter.

Go on, go back to the-

And then anyway, so we were fairly prosperous and fairly influential in terms of trying to do something about cities. You may well ask, “Well, what did you do?” And the answer is, “You can't ever prove it, any more than the administration can prove it.”

Who did you try to influence? And in what ways did you try to influence?

What we tried to do was to get important people in a number of cities involved in this problem, and to do something about it. The deeper we got into it the more we realized that the problem of housing was in large part a problem of race. And that you had to address yourself to