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about giving it away. You know it's like having a nice chocolate cake in front of you.

O.K., let's go on to Koch. That's on your list.

Well, Koch is an extraordinarily shrewd politician. He always does very well until he becomes convinced that he is so much shrewder than anybody else. He then makes a mistake. Like running for governor. And his run for governor has caused him probably most of the troubles he's in now because when he decided to run for governor he had to make alliances which have come to haunt him ever since. I think he, himself, is completely honest.

How well do you know him?

Oh hell, you don't ever know a person like that very well. There are probably only one or two people who know him well. The fellow who used to own the Village Voice is his personal adviser.

Clay Felker?

No, no. Oh, god no. I've forgotten. I forget who. Diane Coffey who's his chief of staff knows him very well. She's on our Library Board. She's a very capable woman, now filling in for Bess Meyerson who's in some kind of trouble, I guess. Koch is always friendly. Always promising things, but I've discovered that he usually promises things after all the dirty work has been done.