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No, don't jump. Let's stay at this period for a minute.

Yeah.

But remember what you were going to say? But was the board when you joined it in October of 1984 was it divided? Because there were still a lot of-for example it's my understanding that-

Linda Jacklow.

-and Joan Cullman had been strong supporters of-

-of Crinkley. And they were still there.

Yeah.

What was it? It was still a divided board.

No. Well, I'm not aware of it, if it was. I'm not aware of it.

And by the time you were there, had Phillip Johnson already been called in at a great deal of money to analyze the stage and everything? Or did that occur afterwards?

I don't even remember it occurring.