Session: 1234567891011121314151617         Page 760761762763764765766767768769770771772773774775776777778779780781782783784785786787788789790791792793794795796797798799800801 of 824

Once. I screamed at him. I spent twenty minutes screaming at him, and everybody was amazed he didn't scream back. You know, Koch always screams back? As a matter of fact somebody was even tugging at my jacket to get me to sit down because I was standing up and screaming at him.

[laughs] What was the situation?

This thing wasn't getting anywhere and he wasn't giving me any backing and so on and so on. His parks commissioner was screwing up everything.

The other thing that happens when a process is so extended is that all the players change. You're starting all over again! You've dealt with the head of OMB and then he goes on to something else. You've dealt with the chief legal council or the number two man, and he becomes sanitation commissioner, something. Then you start over again. It's like a piece of paper being on the top of the pile, then going to the bottom of the pile.

Did you ultimately come to think that there was anything substantive in Stern's objections to Le Roy?

No. No. Other than conceivably, the Le Roy plan could have been too grandiose for Landmarks and the Arts Commission. I forgot to say that when we finally went to Landmarks we went without a proposition for a restaurant because Le Roy had gone out, we didn't