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Do you consider him a friend?

Oh yes. Yes, he really is. Yes. I sincerely enjoy being with him, at any hour of the day. God knows I'm with him at any hour of the day, because we have at least one breakfast a week, if not more, and at least one or two dinners a week, and at least two or three lunches a week, particularly in this campaign phase.

But it's a very satisfying experience when you can really pull one that's just about to go down the drain and make it in to something that everybody says, you know, is just a miraculous turn around.

What is the importance of the New York Public Library to you?

To me?

In general--what is your point of view, what is the importance of the New York Public Library?

I've often thought, since most people don't understand the importance, I've often thought that we should just shut down for thirty days--then everybody would understand. Because lots of people have got libraries, lots of companies have got libraries that take care of maybe eighty percent of the requirements. But the last twenty are at the New York Public Library. Lots of kids have got some books at home, but not very many. Lots of old people don't have a place to go to. The Library has now become much more than just a