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Yarmolinsky. Adam Yarmolinsky is a professor and--I guess he's provost at the University of Maryland--is now chairman of Bennington and I said, “My God how did you ever get hooked into that one?” But all these things sort of come around in circles. I guess I just like to do things!

Anything you want to add?

No. I'm a little curious about whether the young are going to be willing to do this kind of stuff, whether this generation is being brought up in that direction. I consider it citizenship, but I don't think that those who are making all that money on Wall Street are thinking about anything except money. They don't even think about giving it away! [laughs] No--that's me!

Okay. Let's end on that note. [laughter]

[End of interview]