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By the time the decision was made was their pretty much substantial agreement among certainly with Donovan?

Yes. Oh, yes. Oh, sure because we really had exhausted every possibility. We had tried everything. But that doesn't make it any easier to call in the staff on the eighth floor of the Time and Life building and say, “I'm sorry, but this is the last issue”.

Did you think of Henry Luce when you did that? Do you remember?

No, I don't remember. He never had do it. No, that was particularly difficult, in a way, for me because I had been publisher for fifteen years. Before that I had been general manager. I'd been editor. All in all I spent 1937 to 1960 on Life. Quite a period of time.

Shall we end here?

Yes.

Okay.

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