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Because you dropped out of the business school?

Oh, I hated it! I hate business, couldn't stand it!

Did your mother and sister come over with you in 1935?

My mother did, my sister didn't.

Did she stay there through the war?

My sister became a painter. If you look around behind you, you'll see one of her paintings. There's sort of a streak of painting, even I paint. She is a painter. She makes a great distinction: she is a painter; “Andrew, you paint.” A very important distinction.

She stayed there until the war began?

She stayed there until the war began and she came over in--she was in France. My mother came over with me in 1935 and then she went back and stayed with my sister for a while, then my mother came over in 1939 when the war started. My sister, a very stubborn girl, stayed until the very, very last moment when the Germans were moving into the south of France and then she came over.

Do you remember, sometimes it's hard to separate out first