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None. Did you start getting a sense in those years of the New Deal or form an opinion of Roosevelt?

Very little.

So you went through that first year, did you pass your courses?

Yes, I didn't get fired; I didn't get tossed out. I voluntarily left. Somebody must have made a terrible mistake somewhere because I got the highest grade in finance, which was the second highest grade you could possibly get, and I didn't even understand what the hell the paper was about. I don't know how that happened.

Were you a good writer. What would you say were your--

The extraordinary thing to me was that after I'd been at the business school for about a month they divided the class into two groups. Two-thirds had to take remedial English writing. I wasn't among the two-thirds. I had never had a lesson of English in my life. I'd learned it all by ear.

From your mother.

From my mother. I was not among them. People talk about the literacy problem and how nobody knows how to read and write, as if it were something brand new--in 1935, it was the same thing.