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But was there a feeling on the part of the managing editors and some of the other editors that these photographers in any way--well, they were good at taking pictures but that was it?

Yes, there was that factor too, that they were not really good at making layouts, at creating a coherent story.

Did the photographers resent that?

Yes, they always resented it. And in all the years that I was there, there was that resentment, and there would be occasions when one or the other would manage to infiltrate the managing editor's office and be present while the process took place.

Did that friction result in the loss of photographers?

No, I don't think so, because it was by far the best place to work. After all, it was the first place where photojournalism was practiced in America, really. And photojournalism is different from just photography. The process was usually started with the editor who had studied the subject, and would give the assignment to the Picture Department with a complete listing of all the things that he hoped the photographer would be able to get. And the photographer would more or less follow that script.

Let me refresh your memory and see if you remember something.