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The White House was forever pressuring us because, as far as I'm concerned, the White House has been pressuring us since the day we started and is pressuring us today, January 22, 1987. The job of the President is to try to cow the press and the job of the press is to fight off this evil character who's trying to cow you. So you're in a constant state of antagonism. Censorship, as far as I'm concerned, was no different than some other issue where we were in disagreement with the White House.

But no specific examples come to mind?

No, but that's probably just my bad memory.

That's okay. When you have nothing to add just say so. Let's go back to what you were doing in that war period. You must have had particular business problems.

The business problems were really of a rather weird nature, namely you were doing everything in reverse. Whereas in peace time, you were trying to make the best paper, get the best printing, use the best color negatives, pay the best salaries, and on and on, in war time, everything goes backwards. You get rationed on paper. Since the rationing is based on tonnage, you then tend to thin down the paper to stretch it to get more yardage out of it. You try to devise methods of using less ink. You obviously can't sell all the advertising because it would a) be indecent, b) it would use up the