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received with horror by the people of the U.S., too, because nobody wanted to go to war. Bill Bullitt was sort of announcing that unless you realized what's going on, the Soviets are gonna eat you up--

Who was responsible for Bill Bullitt?

I forget whose idea it was. We had used Bill Bullitt earlier, sometime in 1940, before he became ambassador to Paris. I can't remember whether it was Harry's idea, or whose idea to do that story. As a matter of fact, I believe Bill Bullitt suggested it actually. I think it was his idea.

But when you say the staff was horrified I take it that Luce wasn't horrified.

Hold on one second.

[end of side two of tape one; beginning of side one of tape two] Today is the 23rd of January, 1986. This is Jessica Holland. This is for the Columbia University Oral History Collection. We're at 870 UN Plaza, New York City. Would you just state your name?

Andrew Heiskell.

Go ahead.

Bill Bullitt. I rather think it was Bill's idea first that he expressed in a letter or something and then it expanded into that piece which really rocked everybody in the company and most people