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Meaning neither leaning one way or the other.

What about Manfred Gottfried or T.S. Matthews, any memory of them?

I didn't know them very well. They were on Time. It's amazing how in that organization the nuclei of each magazine really becomes practically a separate company and you don't know each other very well and you don't care very much about what the other is doing, which is both good and bad.

Go on with telling about your discussions of this defeatist, shall we call it, attitude towards Europe. It must've ended at Pearl Harbor.

Well, it was also personal because the family of my then wife and her family were all isolationists.

This is not Madeleine Carroll?

No, my first wife.

Whose name was?

Cornelia Scott. And her family was isolationist so that I faced the problem at home as well as in the office. It was really very painful because, obviously, I was terribly upset, having seen