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27th of January, 1986. We're at 870 U.N. Plaza, New York City.
This is Jessica Holland. Will you state and spell your full name?
This is Andrew Heiskell, spelled H-e-i-s-k-e-l-l.
Okay. We were going to start today--we had left off and I told
you to think about the whole question that is referred to inside
Time, Inc. as “the division between church and state.” Why won't you
discuss that a little bit?
Well, as I think I originally said, there was something
slightly phony about church and state, because, whereas Harry Luce
was the great proponent of church and state, that was easy enough for
him, because he was both church and state. He was the owner, he was
the patron. One day he would appear as church, and the next day he
would appear as state. Since he was a pretty good businessman as
well as being a good editor, this was okay.
There is a reason for church and state, and that's essentially
to protect editors from undue influence, persuasion, threats, all
forms of trying to force views on them. On the other hand, if you
carry church and state too far--which a lot of people have, I
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