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I can't remember.

You don't remember any advertiser pressure as a result of the piece?

No, I can't remember whether there was advertiser pressure. I remember there was horror inside and outside about it all. Everybody was sort of shocked by the whole business.

Shocked because the piece had attacked this Schwarz? Do you remember?

I think so. I can't remember whether there was more shock about the piece than there was about C.D. going out and doing it or not--but I know there was shock at both ends.

Okay. Do you have anything more to say on church and state?

Well, you know--for example, when we finally--this is not example of a controversy but probably the contrary. When the Nixon Watergate situation got to the point where we ran an editorial in LIFE about it, it wouldn't be something that Donovan would do on his own without discussing it with me.

Do you remember the discussion? A series of--

No, no. Because the discussion was--