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Oh, it influenced the magazines somewhat, but I think Swanberg goes way out of his way. But that memorandum sounds like Luce--assuming he wrote it. Whether he wrote it or not, I don't know. Because God, morality, were very much part of Luce's credo, and his anti-communism was in part morality. They were anti-God and he was pro-God. And it was also in part a lot of other things. But it's a little difficult to talk about Swanberg because in what you've read there was no mention of East Germany, what happened in East Germany, what happened in Czechoslovakia, what happened in Hungary-

This is before it!

--and Berlin--

Oh, not Berlin.

And Berlin. And you know, the record of what happened is a pretty painful one for all of us for two reasons: one, that it happened, and two, that we never lifted a finger. We didn't and couldn't, because had we, we probably would have started a World War III.

Do you feel, with hindsight now, that--in other words, that Luce more or less was correct in his vision in those years of the peril of Russian imperialism?

Well, you know, I have often wished that Harry lived long