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with Marquise de--, and by the time you've sort of located her in short time, here's the Duchess again, “Oh, Mr. Heiskell--” and this goes on for about an hour. And then you all go home. The most appalling evening I can remember.

Was that your only dealing with them at that time?

With them. Oh, I saw him a couple of times, I guess, in the office, but of no particular interest.

Okay. What about some of the other--if you have any particular memories of the other--some of the other--

Well, I thought I was so smart having done the Churchill memoirs, but when Ike's turn came along, for some reason Tex Moore, who was chairman before me and is a lawyer, and I had an appointment to see Ike, and filled with my confidence as a publisher of biographies, I pretty much told Ike how to go about doing it, and what the tax laws were, and how to get aid to write it, and what we would do for him, and how much we would pay him--which I forget, but it was a considerable sum--

In other words, to have his memoires excerpted in LIFE?

Yes, right. And how to make a deal with a book publisher, and so on and so on and so on. And I left there feeling quite pleased with myself, and a week later learned that he had signed up