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Here I am guessing. I would guess it would probably be more Clare than it would have been Willkie.

Clare that got him involved in Republican Party politics?

Yes.

Okay. Go on with public figures you think he was close to and influenced by.

Foster Dulles. They had the same sort of religious asceticism. He was not an ascetic in other ways--Harry wasn't. But on the religious front, he was a very firm Presbyterian, and I think he considered--I think he was very much for Dulles because he considered him to be a “religiously moral man.” Actually, he suggested Dewey for Secretary of State to Ike, which is sort of strange. But the minute Dulles got in there, he, Henry Luce and Dulles, were very close and saw an awful lot of each other.

What was Luce's religion like? What kind of a believer do you think he was, from your personal experience with him?

He had a very strong theoretical belief in religion. I now realize that the word theoretical could be taken the wrong way. He had all sorts of strong theoretical beliefs, one of which was religion. He operated at two planes. One theoretical, and the other