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Whereas I would see Roy Larsen and Black at least every week.
What you're describing now--does that pretty much take you
through the 1950s?
Yes, it does. Yes, in general, it does take us through
the 1950s, because that's pretty well how it ran. I suppose I could
think of some exceptions to it, but I don't think of anything
particularly significant as an exception.
Toward the end of the 1950s, or by the end of the 1950s, we had
grown into a much larger company, with some dabbling in new ventures.
Linen and I had been at our jobs for fourteen or fifteen years. I
think we were showing our itchiness to move on, and at the same time
I gather that the powers that be--namely Harry, Roy, Black,
etc.--were considering a reorganization. And also, although God
knows they weren't old, they had by then been at their jobs for
twenty, thirty years. And it's at that point that the big
reorganization was put into effect--1960?
Yes, 1960. I think in 1959 Jim and I were put on the
board as an indication of things to come--Jim Linen, that is, and
I--and I assume with the thought that we would have some time to
learn more about the company as a whole, and overall responsibili-
ties. And in 1960 we were made respectively chairman and president.
And I'm trying to remember the date. What was the date? When did
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