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There was no C.E.O. designation.

Was there any sense of either the two of you or the three of you, including Donovan, there was one top dog?

No, no, no. [laughter] Out of three, there was no top dog. And, of course, at the beginning, Harry was still around, and Roy remained on the floor. I always consulted with Roy, both because he was a wise fellow and because I thought it was a nice thing to do to keep him in the family. As a matter of fact, he stayed on the board until--for a long, long, time. But no, there was no clear division.

Somewhere in the middle 1960s, Linen seemed to discover the world. It's not quite fair because, obviously, he had discovered the world during World War II when he was one of the big shots in the O.W.I. I don't know whether it was the news tours or what, but he became really fascinated with the world, and, to some extent, our roles started to change, and he was the one who was out, and I was the one who was in, I mean, physically in, in residence and available at all times, And he was out--of course, he was a great salesman, and it didn't matter what he was doing, he was always selling.

But we had expanded a lot abroad. Time had particularly become a very important international organ. And he would go around the world representing Time, starting new editions, so on and so on, and getting to be very much the sort of “buddy-buddy” of governing personalities, royalties, so on and so on. He started sort of flying