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invited to be--to head the number two job at the Post Office. [laughter] He knew so much more about the Post Office than anybody else did.

What about--I don't know if there were major--in your years--First Amendment issues that came up in the press. The reason I'm asking is--would the board weigh in on that kind of thing?

No.

Publicly.

No. They wouldn't. They simply didn't have any particular qualifications on the First Amendment issues.

Or if you had asked somebody on the board for that reason--somebody with First Amendment qualifications?

No, we did not. Well, all the First Amendment issues we handled ourselves, either with the editors handling them, or going down talking with Congressmen.

What about your law firm? Was Cravath still the law firm?

No--oh, yes, I'm sorry--Cravath was the law firm, but we did employ at various times people in Washington--law firms, quote really “lobbyists.” And then we created our own business office in