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Oh, they were very pleasant. Harry Sherman had died and Axel Rosine, who was his son-in-law, was running it. And he's a charming gentleman, and the negotiations were painless, celebrated with glasses of wine and very gentlemanly.

Okay. What about the move of Time-LIFE Books to Alexandria in 1977 as that a difficult--

Well, at various times various people have talked about, “How many people could you have in one building all working for the same company?” I never quite understood what the argument was, but anyway we were running out of space in the Time-LIFE building. The logical body to move, division to move, was Time-LIFE Books. The choices of where to go were rather limited, because Time-LIFE Books had to be near a major library, because the library was a major resource of the Book Division. So there were only four or five places we could move to. And the move to Washington was mainly promoted by the fact that the Library of Congress was there. And, indeed, we ended up, I think, with an office in the Library of Congress.

It wasn't also for financial reasons?

Yes, sure. The rents are lower, the--

I mean, was that the primary impeder?