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I'm really the only one that you could endorse.” I said, “Bill,
I'm not getting involved in that.” And he said, “Now, look, Ed,
just assume at the end of that race there are only two people
left -- me and Gene Nickerson.” I said, “Bill, don't press me.”
He said, “But, Ed, if you have to make that choice, what would
you do?” I said, “Okay, if you press me -- Nickerson.” (laughs)
Let's identify Nickerson further. He was county executive
Correct, Eugene Nickerson.
Now, do I recall correctly, that van den Heuvel generally
tried to be associated with the reformers?
Oh, yes. There's no question that he would say that his
identification was with the reformers.
Do I also recall correctly that he came out being the campaign
manager or one of the campaign managers of Arthur Levitt in the
primary against Wagner?
Yes, that's in 1961. And he's now one of the campaign
managers for Carter in the Presidential race, which indicates to
me that that's a Kennedy operation, because I believe that Ted Kennedy
is going to be the candidate at the convention, and I advised
Kennedy that I would be for him.
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