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says to her: “If he continues this way, how am I going to make money so I can make contributions to him?” (laughs) And of course he had never made a contribution to me in his life. I said to her, “Next time be comes in or anybody comes in and says that to you, you say to them; ‘The Congressman says that the one thing that really turns him off is if someone says to him that they'd like to make a contribution in connection with some legislation. He immediately is on the other side.” (laughs)

Now, okay. Henry Foner then calls up maybe a week later and says, “Ed, I want to talk to you.” So I said, “Henry, my mind is made up on this thing.” “I don't care; I want to talk to you.” I said, “Fine, I'll be happy to talk with you. You can come in and talk with me.”

So he comes in with three manufacturers and an expert on hunting. Meanwhile, I've put together my little material that my staff had put together on it. This happened within the last two weeks. And I know that 15 or 20 western European countries had ended the steel trap -- West Germany, Norway, Sweden and England and so forth. They've ended the use of the steel trap, and I know that and other things -- substitute traps and some of the problems that could be eliminated if they really wanted to put their heads together. So the thrust of the half hour or so that I have with them is that I don't know what I'm talking about, say they, and they have this expert, and don't I know that