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sequence there: Lindsay is elected as mayor in '65: Woody Kingman is designated to take Kupferman's place on an interim appointment. And this is the first election where they can decide in an election who shall fill that seat, although Woody Kingman has been there for eight or nine months. It was a Republican seat. It was Kupferman's seat and prior to him Stanley Isaacs had been the city councilman. Very few people thought I could win that one.

Kupferman -- hadn't he been an administrative assistant to Isaacs?

Correct. But I ran, and I won, and we can talk about that I'll go into detail on that if you like on another occasion. But I won and it was a marvelous victory, and I'm always going to treasure the friendships that came out of the Italian area -- Dina Nolan and Wallie Popolizio and Nick Muruchi. They did very much for me. And I think I've already told you stories about Wallie Poplizio, the ice man's son.

Yes, you have.

So I went. I also ought to say: the night of the election I'm up at the VID and we're waiting and we don't know whether I've won or not. The polls are closed and I keep getting these