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a Boy Scout. And I say, “Maybe you don't remember this” -- zock on the table. And then I say, “Mr. Mayor,” very calmly, “life teaches us a lot, and one should learn from one's experience, and I have, and let me tell you what this experience has taught me; it is that one should never cross party lines except in extremis. And it'll be a long time before I ever do it again. And let me tell you one other thing, Mr. Mayor, you're looking at the guy who's going to win.” I get up and I walk out.

From that point on, I never forgave him. I've told this to his people and he knows it, and I have attacked him unmercifully — always I think with reason and never on prextexts. Whereas before, if he were a friend and a political supporter I might hold my fire -- now never. At the slightest pretext.

And the thing I said about him when he ran for President that wounded him most of all -- it was on a television program — and the interviewer says to me, “Congressman, will you please explain this to us? In Arizona, in Washington, in Oregon, you mention the name Lindsay and they love him. In the city of New York his name is mud. How can that be?” So I look to heaven and a thought came to me, and I responded just this way -- I said; “Well, to know him is not to love him.” And that was carried in the press, and he was furious. There were two statements that were carried nationally. One was mine, and the other was Meade Esposito who said, “Come back, little Sheba,” referring