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who knows? That's the kind of corruption that people have reference
to. Now, I don't know of any direct corruption that Carmine was
involved in except for the one he was convicted for, which was
for taking a bribe in order to get Con Ed the licenses that Con
Ed was entitled to without the bribe.
When you're talking about contracts, what kind of contracts?
Well, take the Marcus case. In the Marcus case he was
a commissioner. The reason that he was convicted, and I don't
have all the facts -- you'd have to look them up -- but my recollection
is that he gave a contract to some people to clean one
of the reservoirs. It may have been the Croton reservoir. You
empty out the water -- it has to be done after a certain number
of years -- and they have to take the crud out of the reservoir
and patch it up and do whatever has to be done to clean it. And
he gave it to somebody and he got a large amount of money for
awarding that contract, and he went to jail for it. That's the
kind of contract we're talking about.
Would you include city insurance contracts?
I haven't any direct knowledge of that, but I would assume
that there are. Carmine is in the insurance business. I would
assume further that the contracts would not be for the city to
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