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take insurance with him. I think the city is a self-insurer.
But if you get somebody who has some other kind of contract --
and once again I haven't any direct knowledge, but it comes to
mind as something that would be feasible...
An individual gets a contract with the city to either
sell the city something or to provide certain services. That
individual then, whatever business he may be involved in, may
need insurance for other purposes -- not for the city but for
other things that he's doing. I assume it's quite possible that
he might, if he was appreciative to Carmine and Carmine had
provided him with a job -- it would be perfectly legal for him
to say, “I'm going to reward a friend of mine,” and give Carmine
an insurance contract. I don't know if that happened. That
would be an extension of “honest” graft.
what did you understand as Carmine's source of funds?
I never understood it. The insurance business was his
major business. I don't know whether he's a rich man or a poor
man. I just don't know that. My gut feeling would be that
monies were paid to Carmine for judgeships, for other things.
I have no way of proving that. That would be a gut reaction.
And when you mentioned J. Raymond Jones as being among the
worst of the crop...
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