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able to tell you about that than I am. But he did leave, and
then he always sniped at us. He and Gwen Worth would generally
write letters about the time that we were running against Carmine,
not pro Carmine but anti-VID that would appear in the Voice or
the Villager or somewhere. I never forgave them for that.
I also remember that I had a conversation with him when I
was running in 1962 for the Assembly and he was for Passannante,
and I remember that he supported Passannante and didn't support
me, and I never forgave him for that. (laughs) That's the stuff
of politics, you know. It was summed up by Jack Kennedy. I had
a conversation with Senator Bob Kennedy. Shall I tell you about
Yes. One thing, though, before you go into that, I just want
to identify Gwen Worth.
She was the female district leader candidate. She never
became district leader.
That was with Charlie McGuinness in 1959.
Right and maybe even in '57 with Herman -- I'm not sure.
In any event, just to give you this little anecdote: When I decided
I was going to run for Congress, I was then a City Councilman and
so the race would be in November '68. So in November '67, the year
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