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before, I had made the decision I was going to run, and I then went to see as many leaders of the party as I could. And of course the leader of the party was Senator Kennedy, and he had an apartment at the UN Co-op, and I tried very hard to make an appointment with his office, and they kept putting me off and never made an appointment. I really couldn't understand it. And so along with other luncheons that I had had, one of them was with Ted Sorenson. We had lunch, and in the course of the lunch I said, “Mr. Sorenson” -- now we're quite friendly, but at that time I was meeting him for the first time -- “what I am distressed about, maybe you can help. I'm going to run for Congress, and I want to tell the Senator that,” just to tell him that I'm running as I would with any other leader of the party, and I can't get an appointment. And I'm really surprised about that. After all, I'm a City Councilman and I supported him when he ran in '64, and I'm rather shocked.” So he said, “Well, I'll find out and I'll let you know.”

He calls me a few days later and says, “I've made the appointment for you, but I want you to know that the Senator does not know that you were for him. He thinks you were against him in '64.”

You have to know by way of background that in 1964 when he ran for Senate, there were very few reformers who were for him. The reform candidate, in this stupid political world that we live in, was Sam Stratton, and the VID was supporting Sam Stratton.