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however, I felt that I'd been completely unsuccessful with him.

The next day, August 5th, Florence Mahoney and I sailed for Europe again on the Queen Elizabeth for a change of scenery, and I returned on September 1st.

Did you feel badly about his attitude?

I felt very badly about it, very badly, because I felt that it meant that we had an enemy instead of a friend, which I had hoped for.

He could have been very useful.

He could have been very, very helpful, but he was totally unsympathetic.

Well, did you attempt again under different circumstances?

No, I never tried it again; I thought it was hopeless.

When I returned from Europe I talked to Leonard Sheely and Leonard said, “I think you visit to Nelson paid off. Nelson said, when we were discussing the budget, that we must consider that there is a great deal of pressure from pressure groups for more research funds and we must not cut these funds too heavily.”