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remained for us to see what would happen
to both of us. In any case, we were
determined that our interests would not
be lessened nor would our
How did your colleagues on these various
Institute boards react?
They didn't know anything about it, because
actually the Council meetings...
What were they, largely medical people?
Medical people and a few laymen who were not
well-informed about the mechanics of
government, and most of them didn't have
any idea of how the money had been
gotten and we didn't enlighten them,
because we didn't think that most of
them could add very much. Now, this
wasn't always true. Sometimes there was
someone who was helpful, but on the
whole they had no idea that we had been
responsible for the passage of four acts
that established four of the Institutes
and that we had to do with the urging of
funds for them.
What would be the purpose of a lay person serving
on a board like that, if he didn't have
this kind of interest?
Well, sometimes lay people bring a kind of
detached point of view and remind the
doctors of what the problem is all
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