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name and was associated with her work, and she really didn't like the idea that people had to be pampered enough to change the name.

Does she now realize that it has aided in spreading the gospel, so to speak?

Well, I haven't talked to her about it recently, and I doubt that she has become completely reconciled to it, because I think that over quite a few years she really resented it. However, it wasn't a serious problem, and I think it did make the organization more acceptable to people.

Did you at this time have any experience with the clinics?

Well, I went to visit some of the clinics, and I realized that the methods were very clumsy and hard to sell to people, but at this time I had no idea that it would be possible to find a pill that would work. That was beyond even people's dreams at this time, and so we didn't feel that there were any alternatives except to perhaps find somewhat more simple methods of a kind that would then be used.

At that point, too, were any of the non-Roman churches or Jewish people interested in the birth control movement, and did they do anything about the local clinics?