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Is he a friend?

I haven't seen him in six or seven years. Prior to that I did know him.

Well, are you very friendly with him?

No, no.

Because he's a very agreeable man but he never seemed to me to have very much foresight or vision but what could be done, and actually our Committee urged that he establish--as a matter of fact, one of his employees at the Institute said to Mike Gorman, about six years, that we were killing Dr. Felix because we were getting too much money and it was too hard for him to administer it. That's a form of death that I think people shouldn't complain of!

A martyrdom. . .

A martyrdom that I'm not sympathetic with.

Well, we did get interest in the Congress and it was put in House and Senate reports the idea of having a psychopharmacological research center where the National Mental Health Institute would send out new drugs for testing against schizophrenia and against the deep depressions, and that is in action over the initial protest of Dr. Felix, who didn't